BELGIANS 

If 25 pdr was used as medium ART make things easy and go for medium 

Is it me or is there something missing pg 128 ?

I read the rules slowly so take time but where are the dice rolls ?

Pg 57, Lower part of the page,picture on the left  the white LOS with inscription tellings us it is not a valid LOS is so small that I had to quit reading what was printed ( and I went to a printer to have it done correctly ) and had to go for the PDF and to magnify 150% to be able to read it .

It is a bit smallish

PG 58 : Infantry and HW cannot be hull down .... ok what is HW : Heavy Weapon ?

Yes but the Chasseurs Ardenais were a bit of a special case . A new unit made up of volunteers and motivated pnes and the oRBAT was not always really the same as line UGS .

But I wanted to stress the unique 47 mm AT gun  and our strange AT "tanks" with guns facing the rear as not to be "offensive" beause we were to be peacefull ( yes that story is real  not tanks with gun forward because people might believ we want to attack ...at least with that model  )

By the way the famous belgian 47mm AT gun

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/47_mm_Model_1931_anti-tank_gun

Thank you

My main message is twofold :

When can we hope for the 1941 UK lists ?

I just hope that when some lists are out, we quickly have both sides published 

Your work is really great !

Chasseur Ardennais Units

The 2 ChA. divisions differed slightly in their organisation as shown below:

1st Chasseur Ardennais Division

1st , 2nd and 3rd ChA. Regiments (bicycle)
each with

3 bicycle Bn each with
3 bicycle companies
each of 3 bicycle platoons (4 LMG and a 50mm mortar)
and 1 MG bicycle platoon (4 HMGs)

I/20 Artillery Regiment 2 batteries each 4 - 75mm guns
III/20 Artillery Regiment 2 batteries each 4 - 105mm howitzers

1/19 Engineer Co.

1 AA platoon with 4 20mm or 4 twin HMG AA guns

1st ChA signals Co.

1 SP AT Co. with 8 T 13 ( 2 companies in 2nd ChA. Regt)

1 motorcycle Co. of 3 m/c platoons (3 LMG) and an armoured recce platoon of 3 T 15

Support services including transport, maintenance and medical.


2nd Chasseur Ardennais Division

4th , 5th and 6th ChA. Regiments (bicycle)
each with

1 bicycle Bn (I Bn)
of 3 bicycle companies
each of 3 bicycle platoons (4 LMGs and a 50mm mortar)
and 1 MG bicycle platoon (4 HMGs)

2 infantry Battalions (II and III Bn)
each of 3 companies
Each of 3 platoons (4 LMGs and a 50mm mortar)
and 1 MG bicycle platoon (4 HMGs)
II/20 Artillery Regiment 2 batteries each 4 - 75mm guns
IV/20 Artillery Regiment 2 batteries each 4 - 105mm howitzers

2/19 Engineer Co.

1 AA platoon with 4 20mm or 4 twin HMG AA guns

2nd ChA signals Co.

1 AT platoon with 4 - 47mm AT

1 platoon of 4 - 76mm mortars

Support services including transport, maintenance and medical.

NOTE:
the 20th Artillery Regiment units of 2nd ChA. Division were with 7th Infantry Division and had been replaced by 7th I.D.s 12th A.R.

The organisation of a Chasseur Ardennais (ChA.) platoon:

A source for the size of a Chasseur Ardennais (ChA) platoon states that it has 46 men compared to the 65 men of a platoon of a regular Belgian infantry company. These men were organised as:

2 combat groups, each with 2 LMGs, and 1 combat group of DBTs.

Another source states that the ChA. platoon has the same organisation as that used for the Regiment of Cycliste Frontiere which is described elsewhere as being:

2 combat groups (15 men with 2 LMG and 1 PM) with 2 NCOs each, one in charge of the group, 1 in charge of the 2 LMGs.
1 combat group of 3 DBTs.

So we have in one group

1 NCO in charge of the group (with PM)
1 NCO in charge of the 2 LMGs (both therefore in 1 squad ?)
15 men

Perhaps we have

1 NCO in charge of the group of 2 squads

1 MG squad with 1 NCO and 7 men (these being 2 gunners, 2 loaders/assistants, 3 men?)
1 squad no LMG and no NCO and 8 men.

The suggested squad sizes are based on
a) adding 2 extra men to the FM squad of an infantry platoon, to operate the 2nd LMG.
b) keeping the 8 man sized FG squad used when the unit had VB grenade launchers. I.e. the VBs have been withdrawn but the squad size is kept.

1 group would thus have 2 NCOS and 15 men giving a total of 34 for the 2 combat groups of the platoon.

The 1 DBT group of 3DBTs per platoon was presumably arranged as per the infantry platoon given above so would have 10 men with 3 DBTs.

This gives running total of 44 NCOs and men.

My sources do not mention a platoon HQ for the ChA platoon. However as an infantry platoon has one (of 1 officer and 2 men) it seems very likely that the ChA platoon would too. In this case it may have contained an officer and 1 man to give us the total of 46 men mentioned at the start.

All of which means that in fact the organisation suggested above is derived from (educated?) guesswork so any help would be much appreciated!

The ChA. Company had:

HQ platoon
3 platoons each of 2 combat groups and 1 DBT group.,
1 platoon of 4 MGs (2 squads each with 2 MGs),

ChA. Battalion

I HQ, 1st, 2nd and 3rd companies
II HQ, 4th, 5th and 6th companies
III HQ, 7th , 8th and 9th companies


ChA. Regiment

3 battalions
10th company: motorcycle (m/c) company with 3 platoons of m/c inf and a platoon of 3 T 15 (1st ChA. Division)
11th company: 8 T 13 (1st ChA. Division)

Chasseur Ardennais: September 1939 to May 1940

At mobilization in September 1939, the Chasseurs Ardennais included:
6 infantry regiments, numbered 1 to 6,
2 battalions of reserve cyclists,
1 battalion of auxiliary troops
1 artillery regiment,
1 engineering battalion,
1 battalion of troops transmission,
1 AA company with machine guns
1 medical company
1 supply company
1 transport company

On November 22, 1939, the name TDLN was replaced by that of the Seventh Army Corps, with two divisions of Chasseurs Ardennais:
1st Chasseurs Ardennais Division consisted of the 1st, 2nd and 3rd Regiments and commanded by General Descamps,
2nd Chasseurs Ardennais Division consisted of the 4th, 5th and 6th Regiments and commanded by General Ley.

The decision was taken at the end of 1939 to form a battalion of motorcyclists as a matter of urgency and on December 6th Cdt BEM Flébus took command.


On January 11, 1940, the Artillery Regiment took the name of the 20th Artillery Regiment des Chasseurs Ardennais.

May 10, 1940
Ch A included an army corps of two divisions, 1 artillery regiment, a motorcycle battalion and other army corps troops, plus a Centre for Reinforcement and Instruction (CRI ), which would have become, if the war was prolonged, the 3rd Chasseurs Ardennais Division with the 7th, 8th and 9th Regiments.

On May 1940 the 20th Artillery Regiment des Chasseurs Ardennais had:

1st group of 75mm cannon with two batteries each of 2 Bofors 75mm M34 guns
2nd group of 75mm cannon with two batteries each of 2 Bofors 75mm M34 guns
3rd group 105mm howitzer with three batteries each of two howitzers
4th group 105mm howitzer with three batteries each of two howitzers

In addition:
The heavy batteries Neufchateau and Librament, each have four 6-inch howitzers
A training battery

Note:
The Belgians did not refer to their T 15 light tanks as tanks but rather as A.B.Mi. Auto Blinde Mitrailleuse
The ACG-1s were called Auto Blinde Corps de Cavalerie